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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2007/05/30/hating-on-portlands-bicyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-8759</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe all the people who attempt a serious response to this guy.  He is a complete a**h**e plain and simple.  The world would be better off without him and his idiotic blog.  He should be isolated not indulged.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe all the people who attempt a serious response to this guy.  He is a complete a**h**e plain and simple.  The world would be better off without him and his idiotic blog.  He should be isolated not indulged.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Sohigian</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2007/05/30/hating-on-portlands-bicyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-8758</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Sohigian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ET:

I was thinking the same thing myself earlier: why do you see comments often directed at cars (&quot;I hate cars&quot; or &quot;cars suck&quot;) rather than drivers? In the case of bikes it is the other way around:&quot;I hate bicyclists&quot; instead of &quot;I hate bikes&quot;. It is a funny shift that happens when people are put inside such a large mechanism (car): it is like the become the machine. The same can be said for computer-based conversations vs. face-to-face: the medium defines the message.

Rusty:

Great post that shows how important it is for people to get out on bikes even if they continue to use a car as their primary transport. The world can always use a little more empathy.</description>
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<p>I was thinking the same thing myself earlier: why do you see comments often directed at cars (&#8221;I hate cars&#8221; or &#8220;cars suck&#8221;) rather than drivers? In the case of bikes it is the other way around:&#8221;I hate bicyclists&#8221; instead of &#8220;I hate bikes&#8221;. It is a funny shift that happens when people are put inside such a large mechanism (car): it is like the become the machine. The same can be said for computer-based conversations vs. face-to-face: the medium defines the message.</p>
<p>Rusty:</p>
<p>Great post that shows how important it is for people to get out on bikes even if they continue to use a car as their primary transport. The world can always use a little more empathy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2007/05/30/hating-on-portlands-bicyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-8757</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ET:

Great point.  Don&#039;t know the answer, except that there&#039;s often an &quot;us vs. them&quot; sort of mentality that seems to play prominently into certain things.  And it seems to be magnified, in Portland at least, in the cars vs. bikes setting.  And I don&#039;t know why...</description>
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<p>Great point.  Don&#8217;t know the answer, except that there&#8217;s often an &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; sort of mentality that seems to play prominently into certain things.  And it seems to be magnified, in Portland at least, in the cars vs. bikes setting.  And I don&#8217;t know why&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: el timito</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2007/05/30/hating-on-portlands-bicyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-8756</link>
		<dc:creator>el timito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rusty for the refreshing candor.
What your post brings up for me is the odd way we tend to associate behavior with vehicle.  Remember, most of those crazy-ass cyclists probably drive too (especially the souped-up spandex wearers).  Do you think they instantly turn into polite, law-abiding motorists when they get behind the wheel?
  How many times have you seen someone speeding in their car, California &quot;stopping&quot;, ignoring pedestrian right-of-way, etc...  
  And how many times have you said, &quot;Drivers...!&quot;
I&#039;m guessing not many.  Most folks I hear say &quot;That jerk!&quot;  In a car, you are an individual, on a bike you are an archtype.  Why is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rusty for the refreshing candor.<br />
What your post brings up for me is the odd way we tend to associate behavior with vehicle.  Remember, most of those crazy-ass cyclists probably drive too (especially the souped-up spandex wearers).  Do you think they instantly turn into polite, law-abiding motorists when they get behind the wheel?<br />
  How many times have you seen someone speeding in their car, California &#8220;stopping&#8221;, ignoring pedestrian right-of-way, etc&#8230;<br />
  And how many times have you said, &#8220;Drivers&#8230;!&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m guessing not many.  Most folks I hear say &#8220;That jerk!&#8221;  In a car, you are an individual, on a bike you are an archtype.  Why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Orygunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orygunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 18:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some of the comments by some here are pretty representative of the attitudes of many of the bicyclists I&#039;ve encountered. If you really want to experience Portland&#039;s bike culture, I suggest commuting by foot to downtown from the east side. You&#039;ll get to deal on a daily basis with one or more of the following:

(1) Clueless idiots riding on the sidewalk despite there being a bike lane 3 feet away---this is a very popular activity

(2) Scowling bicyclists in their Lance Armstrong outfits riding as fast as they can straight towards you and only swerving at the last second (can&#039;t count the number of times this has happened)

(3) Bicyclists suddenly blasting past you from behind with no warning on shared sidewalks/bike paths like the Hawthorne Bridge (who came up with the idiotic idea of shared paths anyway?)

(4) Bicyclists who purposefully run into pedestrians because they&#039;re &quot;in the way&quot; (saw a spandex jockey on the Hawthorne Bridge do this to a girl 10 yards ahead of me, then head straight towards me---I pushed him off his bike before he could hit me; he ended up apologizing for his abominable behavior)

(5) Bicyclists who stop at red lights but pull out in the crosswalk, completely blocking it (this happens ALL the time---it actually surprises me when a bicyclist DOESN&#039;T do this)

(6) Use the steep downslope on the northeast approach to the Hawthorne Bridge to accelerate, even though it&#039;s a shared path, there&#039;s a blind corner at the bottom, several signs saying to slow down, and tons of pedestrians around (it&#039;s always an adventure to go around that corner)

I could go on and on, but suffice it say, as a pedestrian who walks pretty much everywhere, I don&#039;t care for Portland&#039;s bike culture one little bit. While MOST bicyclists are law-abiding and respectful, there is a large minority who are complete jerks and who have zero respect for pedestrians. As a population, bicyclists are far worse than car drivers in my years of experience as a pedestrian in Portland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some of the comments by some here are pretty representative of the attitudes of many of the bicyclists I&#8217;ve encountered. If you really want to experience Portland&#8217;s bike culture, I suggest commuting by foot to downtown from the east side. You&#8217;ll get to deal on a daily basis with one or more of the following:</p>
<p>(1) Clueless idiots riding on the sidewalk despite there being a bike lane 3 feet away&#8212;this is a very popular activity</p>
<p>(2) Scowling bicyclists in their Lance Armstrong outfits riding as fast as they can straight towards you and only swerving at the last second (can&#8217;t count the number of times this has happened)</p>
<p>(3) Bicyclists suddenly blasting past you from behind with no warning on shared sidewalks/bike paths like the Hawthorne Bridge (who came up with the idiotic idea of shared paths anyway?)</p>
<p>(4) Bicyclists who purposefully run into pedestrians because they&#8217;re &#8220;in the way&#8221; (saw a spandex jockey on the Hawthorne Bridge do this to a girl 10 yards ahead of me, then head straight towards me&#8212;I pushed him off his bike before he could hit me; he ended up apologizing for his abominable behavior)</p>
<p>(5) Bicyclists who stop at red lights but pull out in the crosswalk, completely blocking it (this happens ALL the time&#8212;it actually surprises me when a bicyclist DOESN&#8217;T do this)</p>
<p>(6) Use the steep downslope on the northeast approach to the Hawthorne Bridge to accelerate, even though it&#8217;s a shared path, there&#8217;s a blind corner at the bottom, several signs saying to slow down, and tons of pedestrians around (it&#8217;s always an adventure to go around that corner)</p>
<p>I could go on and on, but suffice it say, as a pedestrian who walks pretty much everywhere, I don&#8217;t care for Portland&#8217;s bike culture one little bit. While MOST bicyclists are law-abiding and respectful, there is a large minority who are complete jerks and who have zero respect for pedestrians. As a population, bicyclists are far worse than car drivers in my years of experience as a pedestrian in Portland.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  I should add that I definitely give you credit for getting on your bike.  That&#039;s awesome.  It&#039;s something I wish more people would do.  As you know, it&#039;s great for your body, it&#039;s great for your mind (a benefit lots of people forget about), and it&#039;s wonderful for the environment too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  I should add that I definitely give you credit for getting on your bike.  That&#8217;s awesome.  It&#8217;s something I wish more people would do.  As you know, it&#8217;s great for your body, it&#8217;s great for your mind (a benefit lots of people forget about), and it&#8217;s wonderful for the environment too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not misunderstanding you at all.  I totally get the irony of your post and I appreciate that you see the error of your ways and can poke fun at yourself.  I just think it&#039;s a shame that you realize you are among the worst offenders, but you didn&#039;t mention anything about changing your ways.  You said you see the error in your ways, but I must have missed the part about change.  If so, I apologize.

You&#039;re right that a few bad apples give a bad name to the otherwise really awesome bunch.  Like I said, I&#039;m a cyclist too, and it bothers me to see cyclists run red lights and such because it gives us all a bad name.  Since you know the rules, how about just following them, ok?  You&#039;ll be a safer cyclist and be part of the solution rather than the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not misunderstanding you at all.  I totally get the irony of your post and I appreciate that you see the error of your ways and can poke fun at yourself.  I just think it&#8217;s a shame that you realize you are among the worst offenders, but you didn&#8217;t mention anything about changing your ways.  You said you see the error in your ways, but I must have missed the part about change.  If so, I apologize.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that a few bad apples give a bad name to the otherwise really awesome bunch.  Like I said, I&#8217;m a cyclist too, and it bothers me to see cyclists run red lights and such because it gives us all a bad name.  Since you know the rules, how about just following them, ok?  You&#8217;ll be a safer cyclist and be part of the solution rather than the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Himself</title>
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		<dc:creator>Himself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 16:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty, some folks don&#039;t appreciate (or get) irony, and can&#039;t understand self-deprecation. Kudos to you for getting on your bike and acknowledging your previous failure of perception. (Especially given the sometimes anti-bike sentiment espoused by bloggers and commenters here.)

Signal your turns, take a lane when you have to, and don&#039;t feel like you have to apologize for doing the right thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty, some folks don&#8217;t appreciate (or get) irony, and can&#8217;t understand self-deprecation. Kudos to you for getting on your bike and acknowledging your previous failure of perception. (Especially given the sometimes anti-bike sentiment espoused by bloggers and commenters here.)</p>
<p>Signal your turns, take a lane when you have to, and don&#8217;t feel like you have to apologize for doing the right thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 15:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh:

&quot;So, I still despise bicyclists&quot; is meant to be read in the context of the entire paragraph.  A paragraph is a grouping of statements that constitute one particular idea or subject.  So, there, the continued despising is clarified as only being directed towards particular individuals, as opposed to the class, and is further qualified as being transient in nature and open-ended, as opposed to the final and fixed hatred of before.  I now hold out hope for growth in the particular offender.

Just like I indicated that I would hate myself if I were a driver confronted with my own current bicycling incompetence, but at the end indicate that I&#039;m improving, and excuse current hatred towards me based on my current ineptitude.

And I think you&#039;re reading my post to say that I&#039;m intentionally out breaking the rules and mixing it up.  If that&#039;s in fact how you are reading it, please accept this representation that I&#039;m not intending it to be read that way.  And since I&#039;m on a bicycle and currently have a degree of ineptitude that I&#039;d hate for people to use to judge all bikers, I&#039;ve opened the door, in my mind, to not just assuming that bad bicyclists are doing it on purpose.

I still don&#039;t like dealing with bad bicyclists as a driver.  That perspective drives me to want to be a better bicyclist.  But my new-found insight from the bicyclist perspective has made me less disdainful of the whole biking community.

Thus ends my clarifications.  Continue to misread or misunderstand if you must.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh:</p>
<p>&#8220;So, I still despise bicyclists&#8221; is meant to be read in the context of the entire paragraph.  A paragraph is a grouping of statements that constitute one particular idea or subject.  So, there, the continued despising is clarified as only being directed towards particular individuals, as opposed to the class, and is further qualified as being transient in nature and open-ended, as opposed to the final and fixed hatred of before.  I now hold out hope for growth in the particular offender.</p>
<p>Just like I indicated that I would hate myself if I were a driver confronted with my own current bicycling incompetence, but at the end indicate that I&#8217;m improving, and excuse current hatred towards me based on my current ineptitude.</p>
<p>And I think you&#8217;re reading my post to say that I&#8217;m intentionally out breaking the rules and mixing it up.  If that&#8217;s in fact how you are reading it, please accept this representation that I&#8217;m not intending it to be read that way.  And since I&#8217;m on a bicycle and currently have a degree of ineptitude that I&#8217;d hate for people to use to judge all bikers, I&#8217;ve opened the door, in my mind, to not just assuming that bad bicyclists are doing it on purpose.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t like dealing with bad bicyclists as a driver.  That perspective drives me to want to be a better bicyclist.  But my new-found insight from the bicyclist perspective has made me less disdainful of the whole biking community.</p>
<p>Thus ends my clarifications.  Continue to misread or misunderstand if you must.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 13:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Rusty. I have often wished bike haters would try bike commuting for a week to see the bike side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Rusty. I have often wished bike haters would try bike commuting for a week to see the bike side.</p>
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