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	<title>Comments on: How to Buy a New Car in Portland (or Anywhere for that Matter)</title>
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		<title>By: L Knight</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2007/12/12/how-to-buy-a-new-car-in-portland-or-anywhere-for-that-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-12539</link>
		<dc:creator>L Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd that Consumer Reports would be mentioned..I read their road test of the Mercury Mariner..and the entire article referred to the 200HP V6 Escape..so..what did they road test?? Perhaps it was the same group that did their child car seat project? Interestingy they state that reliabilty would be acceptable based on &quot;owner reviews&quot;..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd that Consumer Reports would be mentioned..I read their road test of the Mercury Mariner..and the entire article referred to the 200HP V6 Escape..so..what did they road test?? Perhaps it was the same group that did their child car seat project? Interestingy they state that reliabilty would be acceptable based on &#8220;owner reviews&#8221;..</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what happens when your post gets submitted to Oregon Reddit: Your post gets linked off the front page of OregonLive.com, and people assume your post is an Oregonian article. 

Claire, this is MetroBlogging Portland, and I am an unpaid blogger. I was just passing on some advice many people are unaware of. I don&#039;t disclaim prior art, Eliza Jane, I&#039;m just passing on some information to save some people some money.

And all respect to the guys earning a living, and I don&#039;t think I mistreated anybody. I went to the guy that went out of his way to help me get the best price available in the Portland Metro area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what happens when your post gets submitted to Oregon Reddit: Your post gets linked off the front page of OregonLive.com, and people assume your post is an Oregonian article. </p>
<p>Claire, this is MetroBlogging Portland, and I am an unpaid blogger. I was just passing on some advice many people are unaware of. I don&#8217;t disclaim prior art, Eliza Jane, I&#8217;m just passing on some information to save some people some money.</p>
<p>And all respect to the guys earning a living, and I don&#8217;t think I mistreated anybody. I went to the guy that went out of his way to help me get the best price available in the Portland Metro area.</p>
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		<title>By: Blarne Charnel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blarne Charnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buy a Used Crown Victoria for $3000 and drive and enjoy it for 5 years.  Don&#039;t EVER buy a new car!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buy a Used Crown Victoria for $3000 and drive and enjoy it for 5 years.  Don&#8217;t EVER buy a new car!</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sick of these car buying articles they just re-hash the same process that was made up 10yrs ago. Has the internet changed in 10yrs? Everyone knows you can find the invoice online. Just because you magically know the invoice price doesn&#039;t mean a dealer will sell it at that price. It is all about supply and demand. They will sell it for what people are willing to pay. If no one is buying there cars they will lower there quotes, sometimes under invoice if they have incentives. If they have no problem selling them at MSRP there quotes will be at MSRP. and yes Richard, all the quotes will be the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sick of these car buying articles they just re-hash the same process that was made up 10yrs ago. Has the internet changed in 10yrs? Everyone knows you can find the invoice online. Just because you magically know the invoice price doesn&#8217;t mean a dealer will sell it at that price. It is all about supply and demand. They will sell it for what people are willing to pay. If no one is buying there cars they will lower there quotes, sometimes under invoice if they have incentives. If they have no problem selling them at MSRP there quotes will be at MSRP. and yes Richard, all the quotes will be the same.</p>
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		<title>By: indy</title>
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		<dc:creator>indy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LKNIGHT above:

According to Consumer Reports, the safety record (accident avoidance in particular) on that 2008 Mariner is rated &quot;very&quot; bad.  Even in the government rollover tests it did &quot;average.&quot;

Predicted depreciation is also &quot;very bad.&quot;  All in all a typically badly made American car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LKNIGHT above:</p>
<p>According to Consumer Reports, the safety record (accident avoidance in particular) on that 2008 Mariner is rated &#8220;very&#8221; bad.  Even in the government rollover tests it did &#8220;average.&#8221;</p>
<p>Predicted depreciation is also &#8220;very bad.&#8221;  All in all a typically badly made American car.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Presser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Presser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Car dealers are the great Satan. You should all ride bikes and use the Max. Go Green!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Car dealers are the great Satan. You should all ride bikes and use the Max. Go Green!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to new cars. Every dealer pays the same price from them. I recently bought a New Honda element. I emailed every dealer in portland Area and every price was within $5. I went to the dealer that gave me the most extras. I got a free 100K warranty included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to new cars. Every dealer pays the same price from them. I recently bought a New Honda element. I emailed every dealer in portland Area and every price was within $5. I went to the dealer that gave me the most extras. I got a free 100K warranty included.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say Congratulations to the Oregonian!! What hypocrites!! You print an article basically outlining how car dealerships screw everyone over...Yet you&#039;ve happliy taken millions of their dollars to run their ads. THE DEALERSHIPS SPEND MORE MONEY THAN ANYONE IN ADVERTISING TO YOUR NEWSPAPER! Not so smart biting the hand that feeds you....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say Congratulations to the Oregonian!! What hypocrites!! You print an article basically outlining how car dealerships screw everyone over&#8230;Yet you&#8217;ve happliy taken millions of their dollars to run their ads. THE DEALERSHIPS SPEND MORE MONEY THAN ANYONE IN ADVERTISING TO YOUR NEWSPAPER! Not so smart biting the hand that feeds you&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having once worked in a car dealership. I feel for car sales people. They spend hours with customers that think they are scum. they only want to feed there family. That said, I feel people should never over pay for a car. Pitting dealers against one another is just dragging out the process. Every internet department secret shops every other internet department. They will never give any other price than there best price. why? If they did you would just go by from the other dealer. Buy from the dealer that treats you right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having once worked in a car dealership. I feel for car sales people. They spend hours with customers that think they are scum. they only want to feed there family. That said, I feel people should never over pay for a car. Pitting dealers against one another is just dragging out the process. Every internet department secret shops every other internet department. They will never give any other price than there best price. why? If they did you would just go by from the other dealer. Buy from the dealer that treats you right.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes wonder why people have such hard feelings toward car dealerships and the people who make their living by working there. Have you had a bad experience or is this just the status quo and how you&#039;re supposed to feel? I agree that no one wants to be taken advantage of BUT what is wrong with getting a fair deal? The dealership is a business. Who goes into business not to make money. And what about the sales person? Should they work with you for hours on end, sometimes for their whole shift to be paid and treated like an indentured servant? When I purchased my Honda I went in knowing pricing, dealer cash etc. I didn&#039;t shaft the dealership nor did I get taken. There is a happy medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes wonder why people have such hard feelings toward car dealerships and the people who make their living by working there. Have you had a bad experience or is this just the status quo and how you&#8217;re supposed to feel? I agree that no one wants to be taken advantage of BUT what is wrong with getting a fair deal? The dealership is a business. Who goes into business not to make money. And what about the sales person? Should they work with you for hours on end, sometimes for their whole shift to be paid and treated like an indentured servant? When I purchased my Honda I went in knowing pricing, dealer cash etc. I didn&#8217;t shaft the dealership nor did I get taken. There is a happy medium.</p>
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