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		<title>By: Where does the good go? &#124; Portland Metblogs</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2008/06/13/ugh-trimet/comment-page-1/#comment-14865</link>
		<dc:creator>Where does the good go? &#124; Portland Metblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was reminded of a post that dieselboy posted about incidents on the MAX. There’s all sorts of shenanigans coming from certain someones in this building and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: snacky</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2008/06/13/ugh-trimet/comment-page-1/#comment-14832</link>
		<dc:creator>snacky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that race ought to be made part of the discussions going on about the incidents.  

The latest incident involved a group of black teens harassing white women.  I think this might be the case for most other teen violence incidents, but am not sure.

This definitely was the case in the many bicyclist attacks last year.

It&#039;s very uncertain how much of a causal factor race is, compared to socio-economic and age.  Since it has been some kind of a factor (racial epithets were used here, and thus &quot;intimidation&quot; was added as a charge; source: Oregonian) a discussion within the black community sounds like a logical thing to have happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that race ought to be made part of the discussions going on about the incidents.  </p>
<p>The latest incident involved a group of black teens harassing white women.  I think this might be the case for most other teen violence incidents, but am not sure.</p>
<p>This definitely was the case in the many bicyclist attacks last year.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very uncertain how much of a causal factor race is, compared to socio-economic and age.  Since it has been some kind of a factor (racial epithets were used here, and thus &quot;intimidation&quot; was added as a charge; source: Oregonian) a discussion within the black community sounds like a logical thing to have happen.</p>
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		<title>By: penthesilea</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2008/06/13/ugh-trimet/comment-page-1/#comment-14831</link>
		<dc:creator>penthesilea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rgmdb-

I think that&#039;s a good idea.  The town I grew up in had elderly volunteers who worked for the police department.  They did things like walk the beat and patrol in golf carts.  Eyes and ears that could radio in that something was up.  

chris-

I usually don&#039;t carry anything more lethal than a library book.  I guess I could threaten to paper cut them.  Since my current one is about social disconnect within communities, I could try reading it aloud at them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rgmdb-</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a good idea.  The town I grew up in had elderly volunteers who worked for the police department.  They did things like walk the beat and patrol in golf carts.  Eyes and ears that could radio in that something was up.  </p>
<p>chris-</p>
<p>I usually don&#8217;t carry anything more lethal than a library book.  I guess I could threaten to paper cut them.  Since my current one is about social disconnect within communities, I could try reading it aloud at them.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2008/06/13/ugh-trimet/comment-page-1/#comment-14828</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I will start carrying a gun when I&#039;m on TriMet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I will start carrying a gun when I&#8217;m on TriMet.</p>
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		<title>By: rgmdb</title>
		<link>http://portland.metblogs.com/2008/06/13/ugh-trimet/comment-page-1/#comment-14827</link>
		<dc:creator>rgmdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How bout some bored old people that just need health insurance? You know, like the greeters at WalMart?  Get them some red suspenders, a bunch of &quot;I HEART PDX&quot; buttons, and a ticket punch.  When someone starts something, they launch into a story about when gas was $.35 a gallon. OKay, I&#039;m being facetious, but where do you want to invest your tax dollars? The new I-5 bridge or a safe and effective public transportation system that doesn&#039;t cause bottlenecks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How bout some bored old people that just need health insurance? You know, like the greeters at WalMart?  Get them some red suspenders, a bunch of &quot;I HEART PDX&quot; buttons, and a ticket punch.  When someone starts something, they launch into a story about when gas was $.35 a gallon. OKay, I&#8217;m being facetious, but where do you want to invest your tax dollars? The new I-5 bridge or a safe and effective public transportation system that doesn&#8217;t cause bottlenecks?</p>
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		<title>By: tODD</title>
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		<dc:creator>tODD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rgmdb, you realize that TriMet isn&#039;t exactly overflowing with cash, right? How many full-time positions do you think you&#039;re recommending they hire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rgmdb, you realize that TriMet isn&#8217;t exactly overflowing with cash, right? How many full-time positions do you think you&#8217;re recommending they hire?</p>
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		<title>By: rgmdb</title>
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		<dc:creator>rgmdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, people need to be more involved and stand up to thugs. Some extra security also can&#039;t be bad, but how about... Make everyone who gets on Max buy a ticket or show their pass?? &lt;p&gt;
How many of those kids paid a fare to get onboard?  Also, handing someone a ticket/money/pass changes the experience a bit.  Perhaps that&#039;s why less crime happens on buses.  You are faced with some sort of authority upon boarding.  I think there is a bit of a &quot;free-for-all&quot; atmosphere on the Max trains because the driver is compartmentalized away from the passengers and can&#039;t see what&#039;s going on behind them.  Yes, that&#039;s how all metro subway systems work too, but metro subway systems force everyone to buy a ticket before entering the platform. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I rode the bus to work for about 6 years and never saw a situation that got out of control.  A few times, I witnessed the bus driver stop the bus and confront badly-behaving passengers and generally that was all that was needed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Since we can&#039;t really pay the driver on Max, how about a ticket collector on every train?  Probably would be cheaper than installing a turnstile at every train entrance (which just sounds impossible to implement at this point).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, people need to be more involved and stand up to thugs. Some extra security also can&#8217;t be bad, but how about&#8230; Make everyone who gets on Max buy a ticket or show their pass??
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How many of those kids paid a fare to get onboard?  Also, handing someone a ticket/money/pass changes the experience a bit.  Perhaps that&#8217;s why less crime happens on buses.  You are faced with some sort of authority upon boarding.  I think there is a bit of a &quot;free-for-all&quot; atmosphere on the Max trains because the driver is compartmentalized away from the passengers and can&#8217;t see what&#8217;s going on behind them.  Yes, that&#8217;s how all metro subway systems work too, but metro subway systems force everyone to buy a ticket before entering the platform. </p>
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I rode the bus to work for about 6 years and never saw a situation that got out of control.  A few times, I witnessed the bus driver stop the bus and confront badly-behaving passengers and generally that was all that was needed.</p>
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<p>Since we can&#8217;t really pay the driver on Max, how about a ticket collector on every train?  Probably would be cheaper than installing a turnstile at every train entrance (which just sounds impossible to implement at this point).</p>
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		<title>By: clevergirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>clevergirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuff like this is definitely scary. I personally have gotten in the middle of fights like this and have helped break them up. I feel safe 99% of the time no matter where I am - the consequence of being a heavier woman at 6&#039; who has been walking city streets (SFO, SAC) since I was 14. However, I don&#039;t think that this rests completely on TriMet&#039;s shoulders. The security should be upgraded, that&#039;s for sure. But there&#039;s no way they can afford an officer (or 2) on every train all day long - not unless they raise the fares significantly. Since I&#039;m hearing an amazing amount of grumbling over the increase in Sept due to the rise in diesel, I don&#039;t think many people are actually willing on paying for this kind of service. Security on trains and busses is something that I&#039;ve never experienced in any other US city, especially in cities with much more crime. People need to take a stand, or perhaps form some kind of volunteer coalition. We have volunteer firefighters who get calls when they&#039;re needed - why not ensure the safety of our own neighborhoods and community services?
Speaking of, the kid who beat the older man in Gresham last fall has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/news-25/121334544171080.xml&amp;storylist=orlocal&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sentenced to &gt;9 years in juvi&lt;/a&gt;, and will be deported once he&#039;s done here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuff like this is definitely scary. I personally have gotten in the middle of fights like this and have helped break them up. I feel safe 99% of the time no matter where I am &#8211; the consequence of being a heavier woman at 6&#8242; who has been walking city streets (SFO, SAC) since I was 14. However, I don&#8217;t think that this rests completely on TriMet&#8217;s shoulders. The security should be upgraded, that&#8217;s for sure. But there&#8217;s no way they can afford an officer (or 2) on every train all day long &#8211; not unless they raise the fares significantly. Since I&#8217;m hearing an amazing amount of grumbling over the increase in Sept due to the rise in diesel, I don&#8217;t think many people are actually willing on paying for this kind of service. Security on trains and busses is something that I&#8217;ve never experienced in any other US city, especially in cities with much more crime. People need to take a stand, or perhaps form some kind of volunteer coalition. We have volunteer firefighters who get calls when they&#8217;re needed &#8211; why not ensure the safety of our own neighborhoods and community services?<br />
Speaking of, the kid who beat the older man in Gresham last fall has been <a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/news-25/121334544171080.xml&amp;storylist=orlocal" rel="nofollow">sentenced to &gt;9 years in juvi</a>, and will be deported once he&#8217;s done here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dieselboi</title>
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		<dc:creator>dieselboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rgmdb, you make an excellent point about no one calling 911.  I love 2 blocks from Prescott station and honestly, the Portland Police patrol that area as if it were a drug den.  We see a police car drive down Skidmore and Maryland and Interstate right there every 20 minutes.  I feel safe.  So if people were thinking it would all be over before the PoPo showed up, they need to check that at the door.

Penthesilea - I understand your need to protect your child and yourself.  That is totally understandable.  I can&#039;t imagine every person on that train had a child though.

Thanks all for the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rgmdb, you make an excellent point about no one calling 911.  I love 2 blocks from Prescott station and honestly, the Portland Police patrol that area as if it were a drug den.  We see a police car drive down Skidmore and Maryland and Interstate right there every 20 minutes.  I feel safe.  So if people were thinking it would all be over before the PoPo showed up, they need to check that at the door.</p>
<p>Penthesilea &#8211; I understand your need to protect your child and yourself.  That is totally understandable.  I can&#8217;t imagine every person on that train had a child though.</p>
<p>Thanks all for the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: rgmdb</title>
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		<dc:creator>rgmdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched the surveillance video and I noticed that one of the kids was holding the door open for quite a while, stopping the train from moving.  That means that every one of the riders on that Max train must have noticed what was going on.&lt;p&gt;
I&#039;m upset that no one helped, and I&#039;m baffled that the victim reported that no one on the train even called 911 on their cell phones (except the driver it turns out later).  I&#039;ve called the police on a crazy lady walking down the Interstate Max tracks and the transit cops were there in less than 2 minutes - perhaps enough time to catch this Adrian dude.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the surveillance video and I noticed that one of the kids was holding the door open for quite a while, stopping the train from moving.  That means that every one of the riders on that Max train must have noticed what was going on.
<p>
I&#8217;m upset that no one helped, and I&#8217;m baffled that the victim reported that no one on the train even called 911 on their cell phones (except the driver it turns out later).  I&#8217;ve called the police on a crazy lady walking down the Interstate Max tracks and the transit cops were there in less than 2 minutes &#8211; perhaps enough time to catch this Adrian dude.</p>
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